Evolution in mind

I was reading a fellow bloggers site today after he was kind enough to post a comment here.

In one of his recent posts, he talked about how he had seldom ventured into the topics of religion and evolution, despite the fact that he was quite passionate about them.

I commented that I personally wished he’d talk more about them, even though it can be rather controversial and could be a lot of work since they are topics dear to my heart and central in my thinking.

It then occurred to me that I would be being a little bit hypocritical if I didn’t do the same.

So here goes.

In a broad sense, the idea of evolution has been a constant part of my life from a very young age.

So I’ll start there.

When I was 6 or so, I was fascinated to discover the world of dinosaurs. Particularly, Tyrannosaurus Rex. They were huge, scaly, had claws and teeth for Africa, and made loud gutteral roars as they tore huge dripping chunks of flesh from their prey. As a boy, with those traits, you had me at ‘hello’.

OK, I made the last part up – no-one knows what dinosaurs really sounded like. But in my head, that’s the noise they made. As an aside, there are some recent strains of scientific thought that suggest that many dinosaurs may have had feathers, not scales. But I digress…

It wasn’t just Tyrannosaurus either. I loved all the dinosaurs I could find mention of, which was quite a few: Diplodocus, Triceratops, Stegosaurus, Ankylosaurus … OK, OK, I admit I was somewhat obsessed with them.

Hey, I was a geeky kind of kid. So sue me.

Anyway, my family happened to travel down to Dunedin to see my great grandfather and grandmother. We called him ‘Granfa’ for short and he was an amazing old man. He’d lost a leg in the Great War but his mind was sharp as a tack. He used to happily play this game with me called ‘Tip It’ with 3 cups and a five cent piece. In fact, he’d play it with me all afternoon, interspersed with stories.

And I loved him for it.

My great grandmother and maiden great aunt Nath (short for Nathalie) who lived with them were a different story. They had joined the Exclusive Brethren, a fundamentalist and fairly isolationist sect of Christianity that had a community in Dunedin.

Severe and stern, I think they had decided by then that my mother and father were a lost cause. Likely because they were sure that I’d been conceived out of wedlock and had dim views of fornicators.

Anyway, they decided to focus their evangelical energies on me and my sister. They gave us our own bibles to keep and encouraged us to read them. My mother seemed to feel this was fairly harmless and didn’t intervene.

My sister was not that keen, being 4 years younger, whereas I loved books. Particularly ones without pictures that adults normally read. So I started reading it – from the beginning – I knew that was how proper books were read.

Genesis.

Aunt Nath was very pleased and encouraged by my sudden fervour for bible reading and started taking a close personal interest in me, thawing greatly and often hovering nearby, warmly offering to answer any questions I might have.

Well funnily enough, I had read Genesis by now and I did have a question. You can probably see where this is going.

Aunt Nath came in and sat down very close beside me on the bed, folding her hands over her lap and leaning forward with anticipation. This was obviously going so much better than she had hoped.

“Where is the bit about dinosaurs being created?” I asked.

Aunt Nath frowned.

“There is NO such thing as dinosaurs.” she replied, archly.

Sacrilege.

So being the helpful and enthusiastic young boy I was, I proceeded to tell her about all the dinosaurs I knew of – at great length and in great detail.  It was obvious she hadn’t had the benefit of reading all the wonderful books I had, being old and all, so I proceeded to make up for this deficit.

As she had sat so close to me, probably to secure my conversion, it was now rather hard for her to just get up and walk out without appearing extremely rude. I was rapt to have an audience so I was in full flight to her growing horror.

When I finally paused for a breath (probably about the mid Cretaceous), she leapt at this opening and offering mumbled excuses, beat a hasty retreat. I followed her out of the room, still talking and waving my arms animatedly and offering to continue my lecture later.

My mother was standing in the hallway, trying somewhat unsuccessfully to stifle a smile. She’d been keeping an ear on our conversation, probably to ensure I was safe from Aunt Nath.

Aunt Nath has never really spoken to me since.

6 Responses to “Evolution in mind”

  1. Travis Cottreau Says:

    Haha… that does remind me of something that I discussed with my mom a while back.

    Young Earth creationists, for example, think the earth is only between 6 thousand and 10 thousand years old. I mentioned this to my mom (who is religious, believes in God and doesn’t think evolution is really how man came about). She said “surely you mean million and not thousand?”, and I said, “No, these people mean 6000.”

    To which she replied, “But what about the dinosaurs?”

    I am sure this comes from her relationship with her grandsons, all of whom are huge dinosaur fanatics, much like yourself.

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  2. Paul Says:

    Yeah, Young Earth Creationists and other Catastrophists are up there with the Heliocentrists.

    But don’t mention Heliocentrism around YEC types.

    After all, those Helio folks are obviously wilfully ignoring common sense and direct evidence in their pursuit of biblical literalism :-)

    Mind you, thankfully YEC’s aren’t going to get into positions of power, like controlling nuclear arsenals.

    *cough* Palin *cough*

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  3. Fisherbabe Says:

    I personally believe in the creation, that is my belief, but I also wonder about the dinosaurs, and it will be a question I ask when I get to Heaven.

    My argument against evolution is this – if there was such a thing, why do woman still only have one pair of arms? Surely we would have developed a second or even third pair by now, just to do all the tasks that are expected of us!

    Have fun dissecting and abusing those comments! :o )

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  4. Paul Says:

    Hey, nice to see you here Fisherbabe!

    Please don’t take offense at my Creationism jokes. I respect other peoples right to their beliefs.

    In fact I LOVE talking about it with them.

    I actually think we are all wired to believe in something greater than ourselves.

    What I really like about the many loving Christians I’ve known is their passion for trying to live each day as a better person than they were yesterday.

    That is a beautiful and noble quest. I honour that.

    I too try to look beyond the purely material in life and grapple personally with the hard spiritual questions, just like they do.

    I personally feel that most discussions about Evolution versus Creation are exercises in miscommunication where BOTH sides are dominated by emotion and they are just not trying hard enough to really HEAR each other.

    So they end up generating more heat than light.

    Thus both sides miss the point that actually, underneath it all, we’re all in the same boat and just arguing about which single oar is best to paddle with.

    But then I would say that as I’m an Existentialist, which is a fancy $20 word that is rather hard to sum up.

    I suppose you could roughly translate it as sort of like an atheist or an agnostic or a humanist or a Buddhist but it’s a bit more nuanced than that.

    So I usually just tell people ‘I’m spiritual but not religious’ which is the closest I can come in one sentence.

    I should probably do a post on Existentialism.

    As to your argument about evolution – I SO hear you as a hands-on father of two.

    All the Hindu deities have multiple arms – they’re obviously on to something.

    This just goes to demonstrate that Evolution is blind. And that your genes are selfish little buggers.

    All your genes really care about is spreading. Once spread, they loose a lot of interest in helping out with the dishes.

    Any comments about the parallels with male behaviour are completely unnecessary :-)

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  5. Fisherbabe Says:

    Kudos to you.

    I don’t mind the jokes, I find some of them funny myself. Yes, you are right, I don’t join in “discussions” about evolution vs creation, people will believe what they want to believe, there isn’t any point in arguing about it. Its a bit like supporting the All Blacks or the Wallabies really if you boil it all down.

    I am also a spiritual person as opposed to religious – there are too many religious nuts out there. I hope that my life is an example to people and are therefore not very strong on pushing religion down people’s throats, in fact the people I hang out with are the complete opposite to me (opposites attract…) but I get on with them, regardless of our religious persuasions.

    Live and let live. :o )

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  6. Paul Says:

    Well said.

    Thanks for taking the time.

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